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Jon_Macdee (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Bruce sorry meant 44100 it then opens in audacity without any other faffing around.Just export >audio>then 44100 from the drop down box.

Peter_Duke (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

How about Cool Edito Pro? <http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=coolpro>

Just for the record, only the last named is the Pro version which is multi-track. The one listed as Cool Edit Pro 2000, for instance, is actually Cool Edit 2000 v 1.1.

The restrictions on the unregistered non-pro versions are good. You can only have two functions active at a time, but otherwise works normally. You have a choice on which two functions are active.

Cool Edit prior to the 2000 version (cooledit96) had intermittent resave errors in 32 bit versions of Windows (Win NT and later, including XP). (You had to delete the old file first or save to a new file name). Syntrillium told me they didn't know why, but that it was fixed in the 2000 version.

Cool Edit 2000 is still my audio editor of choice. The audio restoration program iZotope Rx is the best I have tried and it uses an interface based on Cool Edit 2000.

Edit

I was wrong. Only the 2000 version is labelled incorrectly.

Bruce_Chastain (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Jon, 44100 made no difference. Audacity still pukes on the file.

Bill, yes, the act of exporting, importing, and then exporting again somenow made the WAV file readable to Audacity despite still having all the same META data. So now I don't think the problem is related to Meta data at all. I've now seen 2 files with lots of Meta data that are both read fine by Audacity.

Yeah, I'll look for some freeware, something that can copy a WAV to WAV, reformatting as it goes. In the meantimes, I do now have the option of using VirtualDub to export the clip audio to WAV that Audacity handles fine.

Bruce.

BILL_HUNT (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Bruce,

The one difference that I saw with my test files was that in the direct Export from PE, the Metadata list was empty. When I did the conversion, the headers were all cleaned out. When you did your test file, some of the Metadata headers were there, but had values. The empty ones were gone. Is this correct, or did I misremember something? Still a curiosity to me. Since we can easily only look at certain aspects of the files, many things could be going on under the hood, and we don't have ready access to those.

At least you have a workaround for now.

I'll also run some tests with WAV files from Audition and PP, just to see if they cause any problems. As I use Audacity infrequently, I really had not experienced this problem. I did verify it, just as you said, however.

If I run across anything of use, I'll post it.

Hunt

Jon_Macdee (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Bruce thats strange still you could try Super that will convert just about anything
<http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html>

Bruce_Chastain (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Bill, the metadata that had values were from a randomly downloaded WAV file from the internet. I did not attempt to process that file further, other than to verify it opened fine in Audacity, despite having metadata.

Instead, I used one of my camera AVIs as the source for the WAV export, import, and then re-export. While the first WAV would crash Audacity, the second export would not. Here is the metadata from the second export:

[ICRD]
[IART]
[INAM]
[IGNR]
[ICMT]
[IENG]
[ICOP]
[ISFT]

That looks identical to the first WAV export, so the re-import/re-export doesn't seem to have changed the metadata at all.

BTW, the "damaged" WAV files play just fine in Windows Media Player and Windows Movie Maker. Only Audacity crashes upon opening.

I've posted a sample file on the Audacity forum to see if anyone there has any comments.

Bruce.

Bruce_Chastain (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Jon, thanks for the link to Super. It seems to cover everything, including the kitchen sink. :-)

I did try "converting" a crashing PE generated WAV file, from WAV to WAV, and the resulting new WAV file does not crash Audacity.

The only file I've found that crashes Audacity is the one created by PE.

The conversion also strips the file of all metadata, though I have no idea if that's important or not.

Bruce.

Jon_Macdee (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Bruce I dont know about metadata I use adobe audition I just know that always tells me the WAV from Pe needs to be downsampled as PE uses 48 by default

BILL_HUNT (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Jon,

I use Audition also, though have not done much with PE WAV files. When I am creating musical compositions, I always Export from the other programs as 48KHz 16-bit PCM and Audition has never balked. I do this because my end use will be DVD, so I'd just as soon keep the files in their final form.

I'll have to do an Export from PE and Import to Audition. Since I use PE so very little, I may just not have noticed a problem, but 48KHz files from many other sources work fine in Audition 2 & 3.

Let me go check...

[EDIT] Exported from PE and Imported into Audition. Everything fine. Checked File Info and it was 48KHz 16-bit, just as I had intended to Export/Import. Not sure why your copy of Audition wants to downsample PE Audio files. None of my versions do. The conform and generate a PEK file, and all is there and well. Odd?

Hunt

Jon_Macdee (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Bruce no It does'nt want to downsample for editng individual files just if you happen to be in multi edit and go to use a 44 and a 48 or 98 it will tell you to down sample the 48/98.I use 98 for editing sometimes .Thats what drew my attention toit in the past.It never baulks just informs you you to make a copy then gives you the samplerate box to ok. Going to cd with odd size sample files files it down samples itself

Ozpeter (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

I have no idea about how these might work with the files you have, but apart from Adobe Audition I use these -

Wavosaur - www.wavosaur.com - freeware stereo editor. Very light on its feet but it can use VST effects to add to its inbuilt functions.

As with any destructive stereo editor, use it on a copy of your file, or be very sure to use "save as" and give a new filename, rather than over-writing your original.

Not freeware but remarkable value for money, and a tiny non-invasive install - Reaper, www.reaper.fm - multitrack 'digital audio workstation' - which can be used as a stereo editor because it has an optional 'ripple edit' mode (so if you delete something from the middle of a file, everything to the right moves left to fill the hole). It also has a video window and can open some video files so you can work on the associated audio. But it can't save the revised audio back to the video, you'd have to use Elements for that part.

BILL_HUNT (A_T) adobeforums.com · Guest

Ozpeter,

Thanks for the suggestions for other Audio-editing tools.

Over the years, your many posts to the Audition forums have been very helpful to me. As I only use it for my Video production, there is always a lot, that I do not understand. Your articles and replies have helped me to use it better for my purposes, and have given me an education in general Audio, at the same time.

Hunt

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